All copyright © 2003 remains with the authors.
All copyright © 2004 remains with the authors.



Snapshots
patrick mcmanus






gosh isn't
wednesday?
but no snapshots
in my inbox
what have those
australians
been doing?
have they
forgotten
or didn't
they have
wednesday
down there?
or are they
all in love?
will have to
make do
with the
spam.

patrick mcmanus
raynes park uk 8am
07/03/03

***


her cat
svelte sleek
black cat
as it ages
seems to be
turning into
a tea bag
a large fat
tea bag
that has
been used
too often
faded to
spotty sable
and definitely
leaking.

patrick mcmanus
raynes park ,uk 9am, 7/09/03

***


tricky
very tricky
hot
so hot
so very hot
camera
camera singes
burnt fingers
light stabs
through lens
won't focus
the film
has melted
is dripping
onto floor
photographer
in danger of
instantaneous
spontaneous
combustion
worries about
his snapshot
perhaps a pinhole
camera obscura
he badly
needs
a drink.

patrick mcmanus
raynes park -uk 7am, 7/16/03

***


blankscreen
wednesday!
snapshot day
blankscreen
sitting here
looks at ceiling
looks at floor
looks at keyboard
blankscreen
Her cat walks in
flaunts triumphs in
caught a mouse
shows mouse
very dead mouse
sleek soft fur
cat waits
for approbation
clever cat
good boy
cat walks out
to show Her
thoughts of
Her cat
wrestling in
a coypu
flit across
my mind
blankscreen.

pmcmanus
8am cool raynes park 7/23/03

***


Wednesday!
emails arrive
pouring in
full of wild
snapshots
daunting!
terrifying!
and
Inside
he sits
at computer
hunting for
an idea for
a poem
and
Outside
her cat
hunting for
a moth
small moth
her cat
resembles
a statue
'Heroic Cat'
all tense
concentrated
slightest movement
tip of tail
skillfully
steeling himself
ready to
pounce!
but
cheerily
unaware
moth flits away
and
cat collapses
dissappointed
devastated
exhausted
saunters in
he and cat
sit down
to have
a drink
together
man coffee
cat milk
brothers.

patrick mc manus
7am,raynes park ,uk, 7/30/03

***


IT SAID

it said
on the radio
'the composer
was killed
crushed to death
under his scores'
sitting here
I wonder
if that pile
stack -tip
mini mountain
of poems
that I've written
will one day
crash down
tumble -landslide
upon me
perhaps to wear
a crash helmet
when writing?

patrick mcmanus
17-39 raynes park -uk

***


KINDLY

kindly given to me
large print brochure
'O.A.P. Festival'
Festival for O.A.P.s
mentions goodies
mentions delights
how to cope
with alzheimers
mobility for elderly
and much more
sadly
not much about
marathon running
lovely lap dancers
loud rock concerts
boozing and sex
and daily orgies
I sort of lost it
coming home.

pmcmanus 8am
raynes park uk 13/8/3

***


LARKIN

all this talk
learned chat
furious discussion
soul searching
impassioned stands
such wise words
about Larkin
Larkin more Larkin
and Larkin
I sneaked out
past my
very dusty copy
long unopened copy
of 'High Windows'
out into the
fresh air
sunny garden
with some
great sf
and fantasy
a tad guiltily.

patrick mcmanus
8am raynes park uk

***


YES!

yes!
he thought
one step
one step
at a time
but which?
which foot?
foot first?
left foot?
or
right foot?
left?
right?
left?
or?
?
?
or?
yes!
he thought
perhaps a
double foot
footed leap
and tripped
and fell badly
very badly
badly. pmcmanus 8am
raynes park uk

***


THE PICTURE

sometimes
he got the picture
the whole picture
but often
when he did
it was
out of focus
or sort of smudged
or had a
terrible frame
but often
bits of of it
were missing
been slashed
or rotted away
but the bits he got
he treasured
taking on trust
that those bits
were in fact
part of the picture
and not just
scraps blowing by
or flakes fallen
from somehwere
somewhere else.

patrick mcmanus 8am
raynes park -uk

***


SNAPSHOTS?

snapshots
snapshots?emails!
check snapshots!
kinky freaky hardcore!
half off viagra!
coroqtine trostovere!
is that really you?
hilsen fra line
burn fat 24hours a day!
teen pussy!
painting without numbers
re: what does it mean
grow your penis 4 inches!
ninth symphony
add new manhood growth!
this is hot!
paul murphy paints
re: snapshot reminder
nicole enjoys some....
real girls want action!
ekphrasis!
why the silence?
virginia dark as air
re: what does it mean
svp reminder
increase two cup sizes!
re: belinda on frost's burning....
snapshot!
hgh is 1oo%Herbal!
winner best natural t*ts
re: what does it mean
snapshot
re:hi
mail delivery failed
returning message to sender
snapshot.

patrickmcmanus 8am
raynes park -london

***


OLD

he was
getting old
very old
very very old
nearly oldest old
soon all that
there will be left
sadly will be
wine,women
and song
and the odd
london marathon
occasional decathlon
and possibly maybe
writing poetry.

patrick mcmanus 7am
raynes park -london

***


H*LP

h*lp
h*lp
s*m*b*dy
h*s t*k*n
*ff th* v*w*ls
fr*m h*s k*yb**rd
h*w c*n h* d*
h*s sn*psh*t?

p*tr*ck mc 9*m
r*yn*s p*rk *k

***


ENDGAME

he got to thinking
now as he approached
his twilight years
he would cut back!
on wine women and song
say one percent
for starters.

pmcmanus 8am raynes park uk

***


with
sort of
shaking hands
pounding head
in a sweat
he tried to
take his snapshot
he worried that
the picture would
be unclear-fuzzy
full of grain
out of focus
and filmspeed
he would be
overexposed!
underexposed!
mixed up clouds
all shadowy
and that stuff
but
then he thought
maybe that's okay
that's how he was
it would be anyway
after all
a true picture
of him
just now
today.

patrick mcm 8am
raynes park uk

***


SNAPSHOT





pmcmanus 08:03 raynes park uk thanks john cage

***


RE ANOTHER POETRY FORUM

Yes ok right
but it seems
all rather sad
but been good to
get to know so
many people
and I have
just enjoyed it
but as you say
no place here
for all of that
but focus on
experimental poetries
in these islands
not for gossip
accusation irrelevant
confession or innuendo.

patrick mcm 8am
raynes park london

***


HE OBSERVES

he observes that
the big picture
of his life
the vast canvas
of his existence
seems to be shrinking
has been shrinking
for quite sometime
from multi universes
greater mega galaxies
to worlds planets
to circling moons
to asteroids lumps
to this morning
as seen through
his microscope
to a quite maneagable
friendly miniature
a dancing mote.

pmcmanus
7am raynes park-uk n305

***


IT SAID PRUNE!

it said prune!
cut back hard!
after leafdrop!
and suddenly
he felt threatened
felt vulnerable
felt exposed
had his
leaves dropped?
and he rushed
back to her
for reassurance
and for comfort.

pmcmanus 8am
raynes park uk

***


HERS AND HIS

he looked across
                          at her books
............................................................................
.....................................................
'Mintzberg,H. Five Ps for Strategy, in Mintzberg, H. Quinn,J. and Ghoshal,
S. The Strategy Process. 1998.      Prentice Hall Europe, Hemel Hempstead.
Whipp, R. Creative Deconstruction: Strategy and Organisations, in Clegg,S.,
Hardy,C., and Nord,W. Managing Organisations: Current Issues. 1999, Sage,
London.
Andrews, K. The Concept of Corporate Strategy, in Mintzberg et al, 1998
op.cit.
Quinn,J and Voyer,J. Logical Incrementalism: Strategy Formation, in
Mintzberg et al, 1998 op.cit.
Mintzberg, H. Crafting Strategy. in Mintzberg et al. 1998, op.cit.
Joyce, P. and Woods, A. Essential Strategic Management. 1996.
Butterworth-Heinemann. Oxford
Hudson, M. Managing Without Profit. 2nd ed. 1999. Penguin, Harmondsworth
Mintzberg, H. The Rise and Fall of Strategic Planning. 1994. Prentice Hall,
Hemel Hempstead.
Handy, C. Understanding Voluntary Organisations. 1990. Penguin,
Harmondsworth.
Darwin, J., Johnson, P. and McAuley, J. Developing Strategies for Change.
2002. Pearson Education, Harlow.
Stacey,R. Strategic Management and Organisational Dynamics. 2nd ed. 1996.
Pitman, london
Bourgeois,L. Strategic management and determinism. Academy of Management
Review, 9(4):  586-96. in Whipp, op.cit
Donaldson, L American Anti-Management Theories of Organisation. 1995.
Cambridge University Press, Cambridge.
Grint, K. Fuzzy Management. 1997. Oxford University Press. Oxford.
DoH   on health Act
Mintzberg, H. , Ahlstrand,B. and Lampel,J. Strategy Safari. 1998. Prentice
Hall, Hemel Hempstead
Weick, K. Sensemaking in Organisations, 1995. Sage, London
Kosko, B. Fuzzy Thinking. 1994. Flamingo. London
Pascale, R. Managing on the Edge. 1990. Penguin, London.
Jaques, E. Social Systems as Defence Against Persecutory and Depressive
Anxiety. in Klein, M, Heimann, P and Money-Kyrle, R. New Directions in
Psychoanalysis. 1955. Basic Books, New York.
De Board, R. The Psychoanalysis of Organisations. 2002. Brunner-Routledge.
Hove.
Stokes, J.  Institutional Chaos and Personal Stress. in Obholzer, A. and
Roberts, V. The Unconscious at Work. 1994. Routledge, London.'
............................................................................
.........................
and then
              he looked across
                                           at his books
Best SF,
               Rattlebag,
                                Erotic Verse,
and thought
                   that  perhaps
                                        his were
                                                     rather more
fun.


pmcmanus 21-21 raynes park uk

***


Modemless

It's gone !
just a sad space
a square of dust
where it was
with a few
biscuit crumbs
a sweet paper
and some
cat hairs
friend said
you need a
bigger brain
or two update
screen all blank
keyboard so still
printer frozen
all cut off
from the poets
just me
and the cat
which is trying
to get out the door
deserting me
I suppose
I could try
to write
a poem

patrick 8-47 raynespark
on some-one else's computer

***


COMPUTER

computer
still off
computer
still gone
what a gift!
so much time
time to do
am accomplishing
am getting done
am getting ahead
already moved
several mountains
and larger foothills
but I do hope
that it will
come back
soon.

patrick mcmanus 16-41
raynes park UK


***


christmas tree

***


MELBOURNE STORMS

Max
I can't quite
keep up
with australia
first it's
all fires
then all floods
power surges
loss adjusters
tarnished pianos
six foot men
in three foot beds
and what were
exactly the three
unamed books?
where is the slug?
secrets washed out
wardrobe watersports
but
the image
in my head
of dry cleaners
inundated with men
taking back
all their
womens clothes
sort of lingers.

pmcmanus 08-02
raynes park


***


SNAPSHOT

snapshot
sneezing and coughing
snapshot this morning
you must be joking
sniffings and splutterings
snivellings grisellings
hankies dank piling
head hot pulsing
bones all aching
temperature soaring
night shakey shaking
day coming threatening
frost cutting freezing
systems collapsing
snapshot
sneeze and cough
snapshot this morning
sssnnnnnneeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
graahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaeea
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..

pmcmanus 8am
raynespark uk

***


WINTERSNAPS

snapshot tricky
lens all fogged
film frozen up
shutter willing
but challenged
and dim no light
where's the aperture?
make it grin wide
show willing
focus fixed
blinding flash
pictures gone
to develop lost
gone with the
snows of yesteryear?

pmcmanus raynes park 15-27 london uk +fv

***


WORDS

words
the words
have been
piling up
over xmas
a backlog
of poems
unwritten
threatening to
overwhelm
avalanche
cascade down
quick get the
pen to paper
or run fast
very fast
run.

pmcmanus 23-29
raynes park uk

***


PASSING CAROL SINGERS

....overheard
.......
two young
sweet blond
blue eyed angelic
carol singers
'that fucking cow!
she was fucking in!
didn't bloody answer!
and we fucking sang!
the bloody whole of
fucking Wenceslas
fucking cow
fuck it!!!!!!!!!!...
..........

pmcmanus n335

***


COMPUTERS

computers
with their
power surges
dodgy fuses
encodings decodings
imput overflows
output overflows
system errors
false functions
mismatched bauds
countless viruses
and more and lots
and they have
the gall to say
try to tell us
'human error'
pull the other plug
you piles of rusting
electronic junk.

pmcmanus 10am
raynes park uk

***


NEWS

just heard the news
radio three my
classic music station
clonings and cricket
mad Israeli ambassadors
nuclears and presidents
headscarves and strikes
and more cloudy rain
so much this
so much that
so much of everything
all now comfortingly
deeply securely buried
under a torrent of
rich warm Scarlatti.

pmcmanus raynes park uk
21st jan 9am n 349

***


FEELING

feeling
feeling-well
feeling crap
this morning
not up to much
not up to anything
anything demanding
anything too stretching
perhaps to just
write this poem
from the heart.

pmcmanus n350

***


SNAPSHOT
SNAPSHOT
SNAPSHOT
SnAPShOT
snAPsHOt
snAPsHOt
snapshot
sna*shot
sn***hot
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fuck! forgotten to fix it


pmcmanus
Raynespark

***


DREAMS

dreams
he dreamt
often dreamt
that he could
stretch his hands
concentrate then fly
soar and zoom
at thirty thousand feet
but unfortunately
one night he
suddenly awoke
with wind streaming
through his hair
and regretted
but very briefly
that he had
not the foresight
to strap a parachute
onto his pajamas.

pmcmanus 14-55
raynes park uk

***


here now
sitting here
looking out
from a rather
gloomy small study
packed with books
over there south
a few yards
of reference books
then up to ceiling
double packed much
recorded videos
west area swamped
by sixteenyards?
poetry books
poet authors
above anthologies
audio cassettes
by the hundred
music -'spoken word'
buried in a rather
battered sideboard
in old office files
then the north wall
working face a cliff
of actual writing files
hardcopies -drafts-paper
and odds some looking lost
then back west -window
still gloomy out there
computer- printer -radio
'warmer -no rain' forecast
hedge and Edwardian street
newly much hewn tree
now giving more light
better do my snapshot
sift incoming emails
from flashy gaudy spam
Oz promiscuous sprinklers
gosh Iceland already
dancing across page
cat has chewed
dragon plant again
apparently not poisonous
right then
right but
maybe a
coffee first.

pmcmanus raynes park london
09:00 nearly valentine's day

***


SNAPSHOT

snapshot
sitting here
all retired
life passing by
but thinking
so enviously
about all those
snapshotters
all you so lucky
teaching in unis
vast salaries
plush offices
air conditioned
p.a.s secretaries
suited flunkies
delicious coffees
danish pastries
chilled waters
tutoring lecturing
to enraptured students
kissing the ground
that you walk on
international conferencies
symposiums pow-wows
sundrenched beaches
cocktail parties
hats on drinkies
so delicious
loose bikinis
little sandwiches
lovely all tasty
think
I shall
have another
warm croissant
read the paper
a humble decaff
write a poem
and relate happily
to the cat.

pmcmanus 9am
raynespark uk n364

***


SHOPPING

shopping
when he a bit
bad tempered
bit exhausted
finally arrived home
decidedly tetchy
with his bags of groceries
he sort of wondered
if they were all there
then had the good idea
of checking the receipt
which detailed said
THN CT R/S ORNG
CP FTRD CRSPY CH
CP THN SLCD SMKD
CP WSHD WHT POTS
CP LTE PASTA
CP FRDE RCH RS
CP W/THN CKD HAM
and a
CP VIN DE PYS D'
he suddenly felt
a bit disorientated
and hastily sat down
and opened the
CP VIN DE PYS D'
and relaxed slightly.

pmcmanus 8-30am
RNS PRK NGLND n375

***


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***


LINE DANCE

joyfully cheerily
dancing lightly
writing speedily
across the page
he tripped up
over a carelessly
left fullstop
which sort of sadly
benumbed him.

pmcmanus 9am
raynespark london uk

***


BIRTHDAY

he was
sort of suddenly
feeling his age
found himself
hankering after
mammoth stew
or a big bit of
spicey beherbed
sabre tooth tiger.

pmcmanus 9am
raynes park uk.

***


THE PICTURE

the mural
that I painted
some years ago
on the railway wall
all bright all new
clear and sharp
has now mellowed
a fine weathering
burnishing of graffiti
looks sort of
settled accepted
unlike a poem
which never
softens or fades.

pmcmanus 9am
raynes park uk

***


E-MAILS AGAIN!

oh!
she said
'e-mails again!
not those poets?
what are they all
on about this time?'
he replied excitedly
'conflation morphology
solipsystic hypermorality
dialecticical triad biosemantica
or centripetal numinous.langpo metanoia
geist. transsubstantiation phylotic simularcra
heartstrings plinking pinche hijo de la chingada.
Information Theory introjective verse glossolalia
multiple declensions litotic sprezzatura autopoiesis
Hegelian sublation cave canem! or pussem exegesis
_sine qua non_ poluphony lettristes, ultralettristes
tamegaze petroglyphs Lyotard radical horror pleni
jouissance Lacan, psychoanbalysis, heterogeneity
buttinsky terza rima and Bataille of course Bataille!'
but
she had
by then
gone off
to get
haddock
for lunch..

pmcmanus 7-32am raynespark
london uk-n382

***

COULD EITHER

could either
do the poems
or the pictures?
but one has to
be the the first
other the second
but then which?
pen or brush?
brush or pen?
picture poems?
poems pictures?
pen pictures?
brush poems?
or?
or take my pills
take my pills
my pills
pills

pmcmanus 9am raynes pills uk
after shamballing the moon pill
perhaps too long last night
SNAPSHOT

snapping shut
long shots
last shots
oh shit
oh shat
last calls
last gasps
keep focus
hand steady
closing time
shutting down
cameras could
gather dust
garner rust
films mildew
fall apart
but maybe
on an inspired
sunny morning
the odd potshot
would be ok!!

pmcmanus 08-17
raynes park london uk

***


LAST SNAPSHOT

jumping
off the top
of the cliff
high cliff
he took his
last snapshot
to be
developed
later by a
someone else
he sort
worried
that it was
in focus
shutter not
jammed
film in?
etc
but only
briefly.

pmcmanus 8-46
in drizzle
in raynes park

***


HE AWOKE

he awoke with
ten thousands
thoughts
in his head
five thousands
projects-dreams
but some-how
by breakfast time
they had all sort of
dwindled away
to about
none.

pmcmanus 09-58
raynes park uk

***


*** RELATIONSHIP

she was finding
that their relationship
was rather like
an archaeological dig
she could use
a j.c.b. at first
then down to shovels
and on to trowels
but now it required
a very fine brush
with the lightest
deftest strokes
for any hope
whatsoever.

pmcmanus
5may04-n397

***

POST SADDAM

when the
liberators
became the
conquerors
in prisons
it was
business
as usual
but now
critically
the oil
flowed
westwards. pmcmanus 7am
raynes park uk

***

LEAVE

when he
tucked up
early morning
in bed with her
said when
shall we leave?
she sleepily
dozily replied
annual?study?
sickness?parental?
special?or other?
and sort of
drifted off.

pmcmanus 6am
raynesparkuk

***

HONEYED WORDS

unfortunately
her sweet sugared
honeyed words
did him in
as he was sadly
a diabetes sufferer.

pmcmanus
raynes park uk
26th may 2004

***

poor Sharon
a bunch of
red red roses
from raynes park
land of sunshine
and happiness
grandpa

pmmcmanus

***

ALPHABETICALLY

when at last
the editors
of the local anthology
after endless discussion
midnight sessions
raised passions
decided to
put the poems
democratically
alphabetically
by title
just by title
all hell broke out
as to which alphabet
actually to use.

pmcmanus 7.04
raynesparkuk

***

PROOFS

she eagerly awaited
the proofs of
her next novel a
mammoth science fantasy
'Shifting Sands Of Time'
and when
it finally arrived
she opened the
brown paper parcel
fine artwork
glossy cover on it
glowed shone out
'Shitting Sons Of Thine'
she glumly realised
that there would be
probably quite a
lot of editing
to do.

pmcmanus 8-43
raynes park uk

***


MEMORY

his memory
must be going
he was sure
he was certain
that there was
more than just
the missionary
position.

pmcmanus 7.09am
raynesparkuk

***


SPECIAL TREAT

feeling generous
and for a
special treat
this year
she decided
that he would
not have to
go on holiday
with them
let him off
the traditional
family trip the
stinking airports
surly taxis
lost tickets-
missing passports
delayed cooped up
cattle packed flights
skin cancerous beaches
appalling hotel food
ghastly drunken all night
partying rowdy neighbours
and
and
let him stay
in his shed
on his allotment
with its excellent
cool wine cellar
cordon bleu lunches
delivered to plot 137
by chef giovanni
and
enjoy the peace
in his comfy lounger
lulled by the strains
of his favourite
baroque music
birdsong and
golden sunsets
glass in hand
content

pmcmanus @
beeson devon uk


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Poetryetc is a listserv relating to poetry and poetics which provides a forum for poets to debate their critical and creative work. The list has over the years run a number of projects for its members, of which Snapshots has been the most enduring.

Every Wednesday, Poetryetc members were invited to post short poems on any subject or in any form they chose. The idea was to make a poetic collage of instamatic “snaps” of that day that reflected the international membership of the list. The project has generated an astounding number of poems.

The first two runs, of six weeks each, and the first ten weeks of the third run, are archived at Wild Honey Press www.wildhoneypress.com under Poetryetc Project. The rest - amounting in all to a run of a year - are archived here.

Poetryetc, like its affiliate Salt Publishing (http://www.saltpublishing.com), was founded by Australian poet John Kinsella. Salt is managed by Christopher Hamilton-Emery (cemery@saltpublishing.com), while Poetryetc is owned by Alison Croggon (ajcroggon@bigpond.com). Poetryetc is now archived at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/poetryetc.html. and anyone interested can join from that url.

To contact the listowner: Alison Croggon


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